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Winter Camp Final Planning Meeting
Friday, November 26, 2021 at 1:00pm
First United Methodist Church
22124 Garrison St
Dearborn, MI

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On Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 13:52:26 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I can bring a tortilla press if we want to add some difficulty to the mexican meal.

On Monday, 06-Jan-2020 08:32:40 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Winter Camp XLIII evaluation here. Fill it out if you’d didn’t get a chance to do it at camp or have more to say:

On Thursday, 02-Jan-2020 17:10:42 EST, K2 said

On Thursday, 02-Jan-2020 10:50:23 EST, Kristie said
I posted this to my FB but wanted to do it here too for those who aren’t on FB.

I thought I’d post this on the Winter Camp page but this deserves a bigger audience. I admit that leading up to camp I was worried. I was worried about temptation and worried about serving sizes and worried that Steve would overdo things. I’m announcing publicly that I was WRONG! In his first weigh in of 2020 at the gym, the number has gone down not up as I had feared it would. Steve lost 2 pounds during Winter Camp! I’m so proud of you babe! I know that wasn’t easy!

On Thursday, 26-Dec-2019 12:44:23 EST, BMann said
Got a late start but finally on my way. i will be stopping at meijer on my way. let me know if we need anything.

On Wednesday, 25-Dec-2019 22:19:35 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I'll be there on 12/27 sometime between lunch and dinner.

On Wednesday, 25-Dec-2019 08:12:45 EST, BMann said
I will be up on the 26th. I hope to be there before noon but no promises.

On Tuesday, 24-Dec-2019 22:45:17 EST, Steve said
Shopping went well today.

Who is planning to come to setup day on the 26th and what time will you arrive?

On Monday, 23-Dec-2019 09:23:30 EST, K2 said
For the movie night, I can bring all of the stuff to display the movie but I don't know if we decided on what movie and/or who is bringing it. I can play a DVD with my setup.

On Monday, 23-Dec-2019 01:15:13 EST, Steve said
Chapter 20 of Zero Node is posted.

On Saturday, 21-Dec-2019 20:46:19 EST, Steve said
Okay, so shopping will happen at 10:00 am on Tuesday the 24th.

We'll meet at Sam's Club at 15700 Northline in Southgate (a little east of I-75).

Afterward we'll go to Taylor Wendy's for lunch and, of course, Frosties.

We'll buy bulk items at Sam's and do the rest of our shopping at Meijer in Lapeer.

On Saturday, 21-Dec-2019 19:24:25 EST, Steve said
Got a call a few minutes ago. Captain Underpants will be in the building for Winter Camp.

On Friday, 20-Dec-2019 23:45:07 EST, Steve said
We're up to 11 youth and 18 adults. I don't know if there is anyone else out there waiting to pay, but now's the time.

On Friday, 20-Dec-2019 14:29:06 EST, Steve said
I think having a multiple of 3 would be good as it looks like we’ll have three crews.

On Friday, 20-Dec-2019 12:43:27 EST, K2 said
I have 3 puzzles printed, 2 more will be completed today. Let me know if we think we'll need more than 5 puzzles to put together.

On Friday, 20-Dec-2019 11:37:22 EST, Doug said
Got 13 2-liters on Monday (not as many as expected, but a good start). Look like will have enough with the additions from BMann and Oak.

On Friday, 20-Dec-2019 08:59:44 EST, Dave Oakley said
Oak here. I will plan to bring some more 2-liter bottles. I also have some craft supplies for genius night. I can drive
1 other youth yet plan to come up Sat. morning - stay till Mon. lunch. I am planning to bring Jacob Ferns at the moment. Have them e-mail me or call- 313-613-1262. Let me know what other items you need a hand with??. form and monies will get to Steve's house today - Fri. 12-20-2019. Merry Christmas to everyone - or happy Holidays if applies. I am planning to bring 2 dogsleds up- so on free time - if anyone wants to race 'em they can.

On Thursday, 19-Dec-2019 00:12:53 EST, said
Two people paid to day. Billy Perkins (a youth) and Nick Weathers (Not sure).

When I asked how he was getting to camp, Nick said he was coming with Brian Maghran, so add Brian to the likely list.

On Tuesday, 17-Dec-2019 22:36:25 EST, Steve said
Big day on the roster today. We're up to 20 total and 7 youth. I also heard that the Bristols were bringing Michael, Carlos, and someone I don't know named Aiden (spelling may be wrong). Mrs. Bristol didn't know Aiden's last name, but it's good to hear more names.

On Monday, 16-Dec-2019 19:26:15 EST, Steve said
Just updated the roster with a couple more youth. I also believe
Bill Perkins
Matt Grimble
Ian Kuentz
Ryan Shork

I think Bill and Matt are very likely. The other two are possible.

On Sunday, 15-Dec-2019 22:50:54 EST, Matt Grimble said
Escape room is complete in the planning phase, the build phase is now in full swing.

On Saturday, 14-Dec-2019 22:45:46 EST, Steve said
Another new chapter, another strange turn of phrase.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 22:59:17 EST, Doug said
Several items:
* Our troop treasurer (T416, Saline) who supplied the bottles when I originally made the launchers said he has 2 garbage bags of 2-liter bottles he can bring me Monday. At the present, I have one bottle.

* Steve - Thought you brought some ice cream scoops to El Mediodia. I put the left-over sprinkles, etc. with the food stores, but don't see any scoops.

* A gallon freezer zip-lock bag with the corner cut off makes a fair piping bag and might be a possibility to fill our food tubes. (None of the funnels or syringes I have would be suitable for food uses as they have likely been used for oil, grease, solvents, etc.)

* Museum bookcase is coming along

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 23:30:25 EST, Jeff said
The essential planning is complete for Satellite Recovery.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 22:09:45 EST, Steve said
I think we should start a list of things we need and aren't sure we have. We can check for them on the 26th and buy things we need while shopping.

I guess the first thing is ice cream scoops and probably funnels or syringes.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 19:44:09 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I've got two ice cream makers to bring. I'll also bring rock salt and some additional vessels in which to put the made ice cream before we serve it. Do we have ice cream scoops in the kitchen?

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 11:50:02 EST, BMann said
Ill bring the 2L bottles for the rocket launch. I should have more than enough by the time we leave for camp.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 10:47:13 EST, Steve said
On the meal front we had food tubes (which are secured) and the No Waste Meal which I think is covered.

Even if everything is going well on your projects it would be nice to hear it.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 10:46:18 EST, Steve said
Also, I kind of imagine Jeff and I will not do much on bottles. His issue is transport, mine is that we don't drink anything sold in 2 liter bottles.

On Friday, 13-Dec-2019 10:42:34 EST, Steve said
We are two weeks to Winter Camp. Now is the time to say you need help if you need help. Here are the things people are working on (from the planning meeting minutes)
Water Rockets - Doug Wilson. Everyone should start collecting 2 liter bottles.
Mission Control - Alan to identify components
Satellite Recovery - Alan Wilson for the GPS portion working with Jeff Rand on the objectives
Scout’s Own - Ethan Rein
Escape Room - Matt Grimble
Genius Night - Steve Donohue
Spacewalk - Keith King to print plastic puzzle

I'll go first -- if anyone has some random stuff they'd like to add to Genius Night, I'd love to see it at camp. Stuff like craft supplies, building stuff, pretty much anything.

On Wednesday, 11-Dec-2019 18:26:19 EST, Steve said
I heard from Chris today. The travel costs for Winter Camp preclude his attendance. Matt Grimble has offered to step in and serve as youth leader.

On Wednesday, 11-Dec-2019 16:36:22 EST, Steve said
Dave's sausage showed up today. It's in our freezer.

On Monday, 09-Dec-2019 17:43:55 EST, Doug said
The 2 binders are with the museum. Jeff has them in Southgate. He brought the museum over after thanksgiving to figure out details of a bookcase/display (designed to store in BC attic) I’m working on. Not so many work days left before camp.

On Monday, 09-Dec-2019 17:33:06 EST, Steve said
They're in the big binders full of autographs and "celebrity endorsements". I think there are two. Mark Bollman--> has them and brings them to camp.

On Monday, 09-Dec-2019 15:46:40 EST, Matthew said
Hey so i was just messing around on, and i saw there were "Celebrity Endorsements" I noticed i few of them were related to space etc. Does anyone know where they went? I thought maybe we could add them to the museum this year.

On Sunday, 08-Dec-2019 23:12:59 EST, Steve said
Another new chapter of Zero Node has appeared. This one incorporates some reader feedback.

On Saturday, 07-Dec-2019 00:22:10 EST, Steve said
OKay, so the Re-Entry event is some kind of "What have you learned about other Winter Campers?" thing.

Are we going with the "write down one thing you think is unique about yourself" and then others guess or something else? Anyone want to volunteer to coordinate it?

On Friday, 06-Dec-2019 20:55:56 EST, Steve said
One of the adults at last night's meeting was very intrigued by the food tube meal. He remembered astronauts squeezing peanut butter out of a tube and the glob floating in the ship. I'm not sure which mission, but it sounds like a fun idea and a good excuse to make peanut butter again.

On Friday, 06-Dec-2019 15:33:59 EST, Steve said
I picked up several kinds of tape, finishing nails, and cup hooks. I also grabbed some double-sided mounting tape -- maybe it will help with the signs.

On Friday, 06-Dec-2019 12:04:43 EST, Steve said
Three youth signed up yesterday. Many more have said they plan to.

On Thursday, 05-Dec-2019 13:16:57 EST, Steve said
Next time I'm at the hardware store, I'll grab nails, tape, and hooks.

On Thursday, 05-Dec-2019 08:43:04 EST, Doug said
Found the food and supplies inventory from last year. Here are a few things that at least someone thought we needed at the end of WC XLII:

• Permanent markers
• Finishing nails (for trail signs approx 1-3/4” long)
• Tape (masking, duct, electrical, colors)
• New hooks for utensil rack (about 48)

If you know of other items or can bring some of these speak up.

The list noted that Kristie has the dish towels/rags from WCXLII. Also there is a bin of them in the BC attic.


On Wednesday, 04-Dec-2019 12:04:33 EST, Steve said
I ordered the ziploc tubes Alan suggested. Now we just need to figure out what to put in them.

On Monday, 02-Dec-2019 23:08:48 EST, Steve said
Had a brief meeting with Jeff and Doug today. I think we nailed down the likely food and rules for the most troublesome meals which we thought were the No Waste Meal, Egggs in Space, and Food Tube meal. I think we have good solutions for all three of them.

Thanks to Rochelle Rein for a good soup recipe for the Splash Down lunch and to the Wilsons for a good no waste market.

There's still menu work to go, but I think we can breath easier now.

On Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 23:36:43 EST, Doug said
I have some records from last year but can't access the file now. Do remember we did well on pop quantities and selection. Also remember we had a bunch of candy remaining on the 31st and likely didn't recover our expenses on that part of the trading post.

Early November I was able to purchase several bags of decent Halloween candy for a slightly less than 5¢ per piece. Think they are pretty small, but we could actually offer them for a standard US nickel.

On Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 12:47:22 EST, Bmann said
I can bring the meatsticks again with full profit ($0.45 per stick) going to the trading post funds to help supplement what else is sold.

On Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 11:02:27 EST, Steve said
We forgot to talk about trading post on Friday. What did we do last year?

On Saturday, 30-Nov-2019 23:38:23 EST, Alan said
For food tubes I was thinking something along the lines of seal a meal bags, but not as wide. Not sure where you might get something like that.

While looking for it, I also found these:
for making those dollar store popsicles or yogurt tubes, which seems to fit with the tube aesthetic as long as the meal is mostly liquid.

On Saturday, 30-Nov-2019 21:45:24 EST, Steve said
It looks like we could get food grade tubing that's normally used in home brewing, but I can't find any sort of cap.

Another possibility seems to be test tubes which can be had with a screw on lid at a reasonable price.

On Saturday, 30-Nov-2019 10:42:55 EST, Steve said
Dave's kielbasa might work in the No Waste Meal. How far are we going to follow the chain to determine the waste? He's mailing it to me in a box, but I can unbox it and tupperware it for the trip to camp. Are we okay with no waste at camp or do we want to go further up the chain?

It's likely that there is significant waste before we see whatever we eat.

On Saturday, 30-Nov-2019 10:10:48 EST, Steve said

On Friday, 29-Nov-2019 22:32:33 EST, Steve said
We might need to find a spot for some smoked kielbasa. Dave Morosky just asked for my address so he can send some for Winter Camp.

On Thursday, 28-Nov-2019 20:04:56 EST, Steve said
Everyone should feel free to bring snacks tomorrow.

I’m in Indiana right now and might be late to the meeting. I’m sure you’ll manage without me until I get there.

On Thursday, 28-Nov-2019 19:23:13 EST, Ethan said
I’ll bring plates and cups to the meeting tomorrow.

On Tuesday, 26-Nov-2019 20:39:02 EST, Steve said
Jeff, Keith, and I were at D-bar-A today and took a look at Jack Lord cabin. It's still not totally clear if we'll be in Trout Lake or Jack Lord, but it is pretty clear that Jack Lord would be a good fit for us. There are 2 large sleeping rooms, a medium room and a smaller one for a total of 4 which matches up with Adults, Youth, Geezers and Dahas (the 4 groups likely to attend camp).

The main room is also large enough for us to fit and the kitchen is okay. James E. West is very nearby if we have need for more space.

On Tuesday, 26-Nov-2019 15:45:39 EST, Bmann said
/raises hand

On Tuesday, 26-Nov-2019 14:00:15 EST, Steve said
Keith and I have been identified as part of the Winter Camp deep state.

If you don’t like HDAs, you might be a deep stater too.

On Tuesday, 26-Nov-2019 13:59:11 EST, Steve said
Jeff missed getting a quart of water dumped on him due to a technicality.

On Monday, 25-Nov-2019 18:53:22 EST, said
I can say with a high degree of certainty that bacon wrapped brussell sprouts are very tasty and go together pretty quickly.

On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:51:39 EST, Steve said
If you think I missed anything let me know. I really need to cut this list off tomorrow night. New items won't appear on the suggestions lists that we'll have at the meeting because I don't think I'll have time to get them input and created -- we can still consider them of course.

On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:50:44 EST, Steve said
Same things for meals:
Gumball Grits
Pineapple Upside down pancakes
Patty Melt
Meat Slapping Meal
Competitive Eating
No Waste Meal
UFO Meal
Orbital Meals
Burger Kabobs
Food Paste Tubes
Freeze Drying
Stove top waffles
Freeze-dried Ice Cream Sandwiches
Space Faring Dinner
Payload Eggs
Surprise Baking
Meal From Home
Chops5tick Breakfast
Moon Meal
First Meal on the Moon
Egggggs in Space

Specific things suggested that aren't really a meal:
Peanut Butter
bacon-wrapped brussel sprout
Slider stuffing

On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 21:54:47 EST, Steve said
I believe these are all the activity ideas from below:

Model Rockets
Escape Room
STEM Space
Black Rhombus
Learn to Juggle
Mission Control
Repair Crew
Problem solver
Unique Fact
Scavenger Hunt
Staring Contest
Postcards from Space
Satellite Images
Objective Space
Cheeseball Machinegun
Edge of Space Balloon
Placecard rockets
Weekly Pinata
Payload Planning

Some things mentioned as things which should be repeated from previous ideas
4 Square
paper airplanes
rubber band shooting
playing card throwing
Arrowman bingo
violent vocabulary

On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 09:42:18 EST, K2 said
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On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 09:33:29 EST, K2 said
I do believe those would violate the hamburgers on the menu rule IF they were kept in original form at the time of consumption. Exhibit A: The wintercamp menu contains dozens if not hundreds of recipes that include the ingredients of hamburgers, and the primary distinction is the form factor. Precedent has been set that as long as it is not consumed in the form factor of a hamburger or obvious derivatives / variations (e.g. cheeseburger), it's permitted.

A meal idea could be to have a "Not-a-hamburger" meal where we dance with the no hamburgers rule. Not-a-hamburger wraps (i.e. tacos). Not-a-hamburger soup (i.e. chili).

On Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 00:13:51 EST, Steve said
I'm starting to prepare this week's list of live activities, themes, and meals for the meeting this Friday at 1:00 pm

On Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:13:52 EST, Mark--> said
Re: Sliders as an ingredient.

If the stuffing is actually stuffed into something, then it's not a violation of "no hamburgers on the menu", for then the sliders are an ingredient. As a stand-alone side dish, it's over the line.

One guy's overthought opinion.

On Friday, 22-Nov-2019 22:35:25 EST, Steve said
Okay, just saw a recipe we might need to find space for in one of our meals: bacon-wrapped brussel sprouts. Very simple, wrap half a slice of bacon around each sprout and pin with a toothpick. Bake at 350 for 30-35 minutes on a pan lined with foil for easy clean up.

On Friday, 22-Nov-2019 22:31:08 EST, Steve said
Just saw a recipe for making stuffing from White Castle's sliders. It could be interesting. I wonder if the5re are other fast food items which could be used as ingredients to make something.

Would using blended sliders to make stuffing violate the no hamburgers rule?

On Friday, 22-Nov-2019 00:01:25 EST, Steve said
We have one person paid for Winter Camp via paypal: K2
None by mail or in person yet.

On Thursday, 21-Nov-2019 23:57:47 EST, Steve said
I recently was sent a web page with a bunch of "Mid-Century" recipes. Most of them appear to be 50s and 60s, pretty much the height of the space race.

I think we could grab a few desserts from there. Even if we don't, I think we should aim for more baked desserts with meals this year -- cookies, maybe a cake.

On Tuesday, 19-Nov-2019 19:57:42 EST, Steve said
It is apparently possible to boil hard boiled eggs, peel them, and convert them to cubes using a mold while they're still hot. Seems like we could also try a rhombohedron as a mold. It might be harder given the shape is a little more complex.

On Tuesday, 19-Nov-2019 15:17:31 EST, Steve said
Just had a talk with Ethan about Egg Nog, which I'm not sure we've ever had at Winter Camp. That led to the idea for a meal called "Egggggs in Space". If it's breakfast we could do scrambled, quiche or some kind of egg casserole. As a snack maybe hard-boiled or deviled. No matter which, we'd wash it down with egg nog.

On Tuesday, 19-Nov-2019 13:45:49 EST, K2 said
Sounds like a job for setup day!

If we put something into the donate or trash pile, and haven't pulled it back after 5 days of wintercamp, we probably don't need it.

On Tuesday, 19-Nov-2019 13:19:38 EST, said
Payload Planning. At some point, the NASA guys must have made a list of all the things that would go to space and then trimmed it based on their payload. I think we should have s similar activity at Winter Camp and this time go with the courage of convictions. I think three piles: keep, donate, and trash. We could drop off the donate at a local Salvation Army or something similar.

On Monday, 18-Nov-2019 21:57:16 EST, Steve said
Spacewalk. Teams have to accomplish some task while tethered to each other and to a fixed point (the ship). Could involve reaching several different points on a fairly long line which might require winding and unwinding. Maybe it could be timed so the winding and unwinding speed might be important.

On Sunday, 17-Nov-2019 23:07:22 EST, Steve said
It might be fun to send some postcards to chapter members who aren't at Winter Camp. Sort of a "wish you were here" thing. I'm sure we could get cards with a space theme or maybe we could bring blanks and print some pictures from camp and send them. I have stamps but postcard stamps are shells or birds so no theme tie there.

On Sunday, 17-Nov-2019 20:52:18 EST, Steve said
I did some reading. NASA only had about four different meals and they just served them in sequence. This could make planning for Winter Camp much, much easier.

They also asked the astronauts about favorite foods before the mission and then used that data to make their ssequence. Apparently bacon squares were a hit.

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 23:50:56 EST, Steve said
New chapter of Zero Node.

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 23:35:15 EST, Steve said
Added the payment button and the registration form. Let the wild registration process begin. also, if you see an error, let me know. I bumped the paypal fees as last year the $1.01 didn't cover them.

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 16:32:01 EST, Steve said
We could bring some instant coffee or just let those who wanted the stuff bring their own as usual. Maybe on our mission the coffee had to be jetisoned for some reason.

Freeze dried bacon cubes seem tricky (unless someone has a dehydrator). Maybe we could go with the bacon weaves where you sort of weave 9 pieces together and bake them to get a bacon rectangle.

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 09:35:42 EST, Doug said
Or we could duplicate the first meal to be eaten on the Moon which consisted of bacon squares, peaches, sugar cookie cubes, pineapple grapefruit drink and coffee (sorry Jeff).

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 01:58:28 EST, Steve said
I think we should consider a moon meal. We could have Mooncakes which are a Chinese pastry, moon pies which are more of a southern pastry and maybe some foods which focus on cheese which is what the moon is made of. We could throw in milk since the cow might have left it when she jumped over the moon. Maybe ham which is roundish and is sometimes a synonym for the moon.

On Saturday, 16-Nov-2019 00:41:54 EST, Steve said
I think Alan's video makes it pretty clear we wouldn't be able to see the arrow from space. Even if it was bright enough, there'd be atmospheric haze and light pollution to deal with.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 23:37:18 EST, Alan said
Here's what it would actually take to be seen from space:

Short version: 2 800 million lumen searchlights, or a couple watt laser pointed extremely accurately.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 23:02:22 EST, Doug said
Did I miss the part of how we would get the image of it from space?

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 21:10:28 EST, BMann said
if you want me to bring the equipment just let me know. Our ceremony team is well stocked with everything to do it (19 crates of smudge pots, 300' tape measures and everything else. We make the arrow twice a year, with 1 person helping me it takes about 2.5 - 3 hours. I would need help with the Ws though as i havent done them yet.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 20:20:28 EST, Mark--> said
Agreed. If snow is even remotely an issue, the roads won't be clear that far back in camp, and that's a long way to haul all that stuff by hand.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 16:43:06 EST, Steve said
I think we'd have to think hard about that one. Setting up the arrow would take several hours; the Ws even longer. Depending on snow.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 14:38:36 EST, BMann said
We can make that happen.

On Friday, 15-Nov-2019 10:35:48 EST, Doug said
First thing that comes to mind when I think of an image from space would be the 300ft arrow and 3W's.

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 18:21:20 EST, Steve said
I think most of those movies are out if we’re talking real space. Maybe Space Cowboys would be fun without too much sci-fi.

As far as I know we’ve never gotten an image of any kind from space. I wonder what it would take to be visible.

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 17:12:28 EST, K2 said
I can try and get a better antenna working with my SDR to collect the weather satellite images too. That would be cool to capture. Do we know if we've ever recorded a live image of wintercamp from space??

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 17:09:28 EST, K2 said
Should be lots of options when it comes to movies if we wanted to show a movie one of the nights. Star wars, star trek, Armageddon, Spaceballs, Apollo 13, 2001: A Space Odyssey.....

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 15:52:52 EST, Steve said
Model Rockets, like the other rockets, will likely need a couple of spots on the schedule. One to build and one to launch. I think build/design could happen any time. Launches will have to be during the day.

I think the cheesy wooden rockets would need to be on the first day if we do them. The other rockets could be later, but probably we need a day for glue and paint to dry before we launch them, so they'd need to be earlier in the week to make sure we got a chance to launch them.

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 15:31:50 EST, Steve said
More about rockets: Kristie and I purchased some model rocket kits and motors, so I really hope we'll have a model rocket event on the schedule.

Do we need to start collecting two liter bottles for another rocket launch? Kristie and I can't help as we don't drink anything that I typically see in two liter bottles.

On Thursday, 14-Nov-2019 14:42:46 EST, Steve said
14 Days to the planning meeting. Can we get at least one new space idea each day until the meeting?

I'll start with a bit of a cheat. I bought some cheap wooden rockets and I think everyone could decorate one with their name on it. For each meal (and maybe some events) we could distribute the rockets as placecards to either form teams or assign seats as a sort of mixer opportunity.

On Monday, 11-Nov-2019 22:48:00 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Related to Steve's comment, I can bring chopsticks. I was thinking of making them available to anyone who wanted to set a personal goal of using them all weekette (for non-Caveman meals, of course).

On Monday, 11-Nov-2019 20:42:49 EST, Steve said
Maybe we could eat a breakfast with chopsticks to make the experience sort of alien and foreign to our normal events.

On Saturday, 09-Nov-2019 11:48:46 EST, Steve said
I think maybe we should try a zero-gravity meal. I iknow we can't do it for real but we could do it similar to the pac-man snack. Food is tied up to simulate it floating in zero-gravity. Utensils might be kind of pointless since there's nothing to push against.

On Friday, 08-Nov-2019 21:38:28 EST, Steve said
I'm thinking it might be fun to have a space-themed pinata that we take a swing at based on whose won an event until we bust it open. So if the Eagles with Palms win at 4-way volleyball, they get to designate one team member to take a swing and we keep going until we bust it wide open hopefully later in the week.

On Thursday, 07-Nov-2019 20:14:21 EST, Steve said
Information for the planning meeting is above. It would be nice to see some youth come out and boss us around.

On Wednesday, 06-Nov-2019 09:00:29 EST, said
Wintercamp skunkworks you say. I am interested

On Wednesday, 06-Nov-2019 08:45:56 EST, BMann said
We will have to send out a chapter email and social media messsages as there is no chapter meeting this month. Ill see who I can motivate to get it going. Are we set with a place and time or is that still up in the air?

On Wednesday, 06-Nov-2019 07:08:27 EST, K2 said
Given the whole Area 51 popularity, there's a good chance the youth may be more inclined to do something alien oriented. For example, Michaela's troop did something like that as their skit at summer camp this year.

We should also start advertising the planning meeting so hopefully we can get more youth to attend.

On Tuesday, 05-Nov-2019 23:11:34 EST, Mark--> said
All of the above, probably.

On Tuesday, 05-Nov-2019 22:15:21 EST, Steve said
So when no one replies for several days should I take that as a sign of agreement, disagreement, or disinterest?

On Sunday, 03-Nov-2019 14:35:24 EST, Steve said
No aliens would tend to block out a lot of sci-fi: star wars, star trek, babylon 5, battlestar galactica, etc.

Meal idea: I was thinking we could have a "meal from home" where we let one camper set the meal for one of the later days. Maybe everyone writes one down and then we draw from a hat.

I wouldn't want to do the three dinners thing like last year but one would work.

On Saturday, 02-Nov-2019 19:38:52 EDT, Mark--> said
I would favor establishing a rule of "no aliens". Given the discussion so far, that'd be a convenient line without inhibiting anything we've developed.

On Saturday, 02-Nov-2019 17:30:47 EDT, Steve said
I'm thinking about our theme. Space is big. It could include historical space, future space, science fiction, a lot of things.

In gaming, there is something which some games call "The Palette" which defines what is and isn't part of the game. I wonder if we shouldn't have a discussion like that to figure out what sort of Space theme we're talking about and lay down some ground rules.

Are there aliens? Is it science fiction? Is it just the past? Do we focus on history and studies or is it simulation? Do we create a narrative for the week or are we good with just having some space activities.

What do you think should and shouldn't be included in our Space theme?

On Thursday, 31-Oct-2019 20:20:14 EDT, Steve said
Also how do I join the WC Skunk Works?

Is there a list of current/past projects?

On Thursday, 31-Oct-2019 20:18:23 EDT, Steve said
Kristie has family relatively close to Coldwater.

On Thursday, 31-Oct-2019 19:12:20 EDT, Doug said
Food for Thought: Edge of space weather balloon - quick look shows the possibility to launch a weather balloon to about 100,000 ft with camera and tracking for a cost around $300 (homemade) to $800 (near ready to launch).
Believe it would be better to launch remotely to avoid having it land in Canada, which among other issues would limit search and recover time. Current weather tracking predicts (CUSF Landing predictor, indicates a launch from Coldwater, MI would land very near D-A. Typically flight time is about 2-1/2 hours with the balloon bursting at 100,000 ft over Heartland, MI descending to land in D-A. The launch predictor is fun to play with and changes rapidly. Camera could take a photo every 5 sec. and is high enough to “show black sky curling around our blue planet”. Launch would require a 5-6 hr. road trip by the launch team.
Another member of the WC skunk works believes this may be too ambitious to reasonably pull together in 2 months.

On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 19:45:49 EDT, Steve said
I was looking at Space Derby kits today. That's the rubber band powered rocket that Cubs build. The kits are like $6 each with no bulk pack that I could find. We'd also need some other accessories that would run about another $40-$50.

I think in the bang for buck measurement we'd be better off with Estes rockets (similar costs in bulk) and launching pop bottles again.

Anyone have a different thought? I'm kind of thinking we would have two different rocket launches during the week.

On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 19:23:42 EDT, Steve said
Thanks Keith.

In related news, I think we'll be able to use FUMC in Dearborn (where chapter meetings are held) for the planning meeting. I'll update once we know for sure.

On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 15:43:43 EDT, K2 said
I emailed Jack asking about possibly using Jack Lord cabin for wintercamp.

On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 15:19:38 EDT, Matt Grimble said
Also Jack Lord is nice with its proximity to everything for the sub camp,with access to the large pavilion and the other areas, and rather close to the Yurts, which could be considered to be the "Moon Bases" etc.

On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 15:18:32 EDT, Matt Grimble said
I talked to Chris, and Im going to be the Activities Youth this year

On Monday, 28-Oct-2019 19:49:31 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Jack Lord seems like the best non-Trout Lake option to me at this point. The field between Jack Lord and James West would be great for a lot of activities. Also, the fenced in area near the cabin is great for tents.

On Monday, 28-Oct-2019 15:57:16 EDT, Doug said
I have never stayed in Jack Lord building, it's listed as 42 capacity. It would likely be the best choice. James E. West (where the first wintercamp was supposed to be) is available nearby if we need additonal bunks.

I don't think the kitchen prep area is much of an issue. Even at Trout Lake we spillled out into the dining area for some meals. We had a whole dining table in use for pasties last year. The 2nd oven at Trout lake is nice but we got along with one for nearly 40 years.

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 23:23:20 EDT, Steve said
There are pictures on the camp page. It appears to have a very large refrigerator and probably a slightly smaller food prep area than BC.

The main room is aimed at 36 I think but it doesn't have all the extra space we've had at Trout Lake.

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 22:00:36 EDT, Mark--> said
I agree with Steve's order of the alternate sites. Can anyone speak to the size of the kitchen and of the common area at Jack Lord?

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 21:43:59 EDT, K2 said
I’ll keep tuned to what’s happening with trout lake. Who knows, maybe things will change.

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 21:22:46 EDT, Steve said
I know I said BC/Clearwater would be my second choice, but that's probably not true.

I'm having some serious complications with my medications right now. I have bad days where I can barely walk and good days where I can walk with some difficulty. It could be better by Winter Camp (I'm doing what I can) but it might not. As things are today, having to walk down the hill and across the road to use the latrines at Beaver Creek would be a pretty serious burden for me.

If we can't get Trout Lake, I would prefer Jack Lord, M&M, or Draper in that order.

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 18:21:16 EDT, Steve said
I thought I had shared this before, but I guess not.

The Cub Scout outing from last year is back and they may be taking Trout Lake depending on their attendance. At this point, I think we're going to have to go somewhere else.

It's really down to a question of convenience I think. We could go to M&M or Jack Lord and retain indoor plumbing or we could go back to BC. I'm not sure any of them have a significantly better kitchen than the other and none match up to Trout Lake.

I guess I'd say BC and Clearwater would be our second choice after Trout Lake.

What do others think?

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 15:45:15 EDT, B Mann said

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 15:38:30 EDT, K2 said
C is for cookie

On Sunday, 27-Oct-2019 12:43:04 EDT, Steve said
Okay, it turns out it does have an astronaut side but it was covered by the packing list.

What if we had a late night baking session at Winter Camp? After all, in space day and night are different. It might be fun to wake up to fresh-basked cookies.

On Saturday, 26-Oct-2019 09:22:46 EDT, Steve said
Very disappointed. I received the astronaut ice cream yesterday. Despite ordering from, the box says Backpacking Food and Colorado Spice. The sandwiches appear to be there though.

On Thursday, 24-Oct-2019 21:57:14 EDT, Steve said
Shared a car ride with Matt Grimble today. He told me he's coming to Winter Camp and wants to be the Activities Leader.

On Tuesday, 22-Oct-2019 08:05:11 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Crews makes sense to me. I think had pretty good success with "patrols" last year.

On Monday, 21-Oct-2019 23:44:52 EDT, K2 said
Pretty sure that guy permanently lost his totin chip

On Monday, 21-Oct-2019 23:32:34 EDT, Steve said
Winter Camp might need a new kitchen gadget. Skip ahead to about 8 minutes.

On Monday, 21-Oct-2019 20:57:28 EDT, Steve said
Genius Nights have been pretty successful in the past.

On Monday, 21-Oct-2019 20:49:44 EDT, K2 said
We could have the Apollo 13 activity where they need to build something out of parts. Maybe something less critical than a CO2 scrubber...

On Monday, 21-Oct-2019 19:36:45 EDT, Steve said
I was thinking today about Winter Camp (probably because I received enough Tang to fill a battleship).

What if we organized into crews? Crews would have to have a name and number (Apollo 5) for example. Maybe the name has to be a mythological figure and the number between 1 and 100 inclusive)

Meals would be done by crews with perhaps the aid of mission or payload specialists where prudent. Maybe one or two events would be theme events and competition by crew. It could be that the winning crew would be determined the last night of camp and get to blow something up.

On Wednesday, 16-Oct-2019 11:27:37 EDT, Steve said
Uhm. Spoilers!

On Wednesday, 16-Oct-2019 08:26:49 EDT, K2 said
And it introduces new characters!

On Tuesday, 15-Oct-2019 00:15:41 EDT, Steve said
Another new chapter today

On Tuesday, 08-Oct-2019 21:15:49 EDT, Steve said
There's a new chapter of Zero Node which you can find on the main page.

On Tuesday, 08-Oct-2019 10:08:58 EDT, Doug said
No doubt with some pre-fabrication and/or 3D printing of critical components they could be made at camp.

Were you thinking of doing it as an Uncle Ethan project?

It would be cool to modify the design to shoot starch based packing peanuts.

On Sunday, 06-Oct-2019 19:35:55 EDT, Steve said

The big question is, could we make these at Winter Camp?

On Saturday, 28-Sep-2019 21:44:56 EDT, K2 said
I think that’s how cole canoe base used to make doughnuts for the beast feast

On Saturday, 28-Sep-2019 20:43:14 EDT, Steve said
I'm not crazy. Refrigerator dough dougnuts are real...

On Thursday, 26-Sep-2019 21:44:31 EDT, K2 said
The whole name? Any of the words?

On Wednesday, 25-Sep-2019 22:31:37 EDT, Steve said
I wonder what percentage of meals and activities actually have alliterative names...

On Saturday, 21-Sep-2019 18:14:24 EDT, Steve said
I think we could rename it to "Rocket Spelling" or "Space Spelling". Darts looks enough like spaceships to qualify I think.

On Monday, 16-Sep-2019 21:07:55 EDT, Steve said
I liked it. I think most campers enjoyed it. NO reason not to bring it back.

On Sunday, 15-Sep-2019 23:26:42 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
What do you all think about another round of violent vocabulary, or some other "throw darts a huge dart board" game? I've got the darts and most of the letter cards from last year.

On Wednesday, 11-Sep-2019 17:28:43 EDT, Steve said
I think the target is still space not science fiction.

On Wednesday, 11-Sep-2019 12:40:46 EDT, Doug said
You beat me to it Keith!

On Wednesday, 11-Sep-2019 11:47:34 EDT, K2 said
I got a portable dehumidifier in my basement :)

On Wednesday, 11-Sep-2019 10:50:27 EDT, Brian said
As a side activity or experiment could we try moisture farming?

On Tuesday, 10-Sep-2019 18:37:51 EDT, Steve said
I'm good with that.

Do we think we're going to have rockets play a big part? Like will we do model rockets and bottle rockets? Will we consider a space derby event like the cubs?

On Monday, 09-Sep-2019 12:47:43 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I looked over some old activity lists and it seems haven't played Arrowman Bingo since Winter Camp XXXIV. I vote we bring it back this year.

On Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 19:43:22 EDT, K2 said
Is it as a pre-curser to the Rand Stew? The Donohue Buffet?

On Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 19:09:03 EDT, Steve said
Should we consider some kind of banquet for the last dinner?

Should Winter Camp offer a salad bar before dinners?

On Tuesday, 27-Aug-2019 18:57:55 EDT, Steve said
I have a trebuchet that would probably be suitable for launching eggs. It probably needs some TLC to be used.

On Monday, 26-Aug-2019 16:25:27 EDT, K2 said
It's not space themed but for the egg launch, we could make a trebuchet. Would that be a new challenge for setup day?

On Sunday, 25-Aug-2019 18:36:28 EDT, Steve said
Who is going to write all the poetry?

On Saturday, 24-Aug-2019 00:14:15 EDT, Christopher Kirschke said
Also another fun idea, do a verses item hunt [almost like a capture the flag tag sort of system, with clues on how to find your item and screw with the other teams hunt and the like].

On Saturday, 24-Aug-2019 00:05:35 EDT, Christopher Kirschke said
Also to add onto the item hunt, how much can we do within camp? like would digging [very small and shallow] holes in the ground and setting up little structures be fine [more so with the promise to clean them up after we are done]?

On Saturday, 24-Aug-2019 00:01:33 EDT, Christopher Kirschke said
you know, if we are doing nation inspired meals, each day we could have each meal be from a different era of said nations history [so for a USSR/Russian Federation, we could do breakfast as a 50s meal, lunch as a cold war 70-80s meal and dinner as a 2010s meal or something] as these nations have really changed a LOT over the time.

Also for the item hunt, how hard do you guys what it to be? or should we do two of them [one a simple point to point where the next clue, while the second harder one would be story based and non-lineral and the like]

On Thursday, 22-Aug-2019 17:11:36 EDT, Dave M said
K2. Almost like cook it in a paper cup.or something....

On Thursday, 22-Aug-2019 13:57:49 EDT, K2 said
I wonder if we could pre-scramble the egg without breaking it.....

On Thursday, 22-Aug-2019 13:35:01 EDT, Steve said
I'm thinking we need payload eggs. One day we launch eggs and try not to break them. The next day we serve them for breakfast.

On Monday, 19-Aug-2019 21:45:51 EDT, Steve said
What about dinners from space-faring nations? Probably other than the US. Like China, Russia, Europe (consortium of 10 countries), and India,

On Monday, 19-Aug-2019 21:12:40 EDT, Dave Milon said
12 Kits for $76 on Amazon atm as a benchmark.

On Monday, 19-Aug-2019 21:01:40 EDT, Steve said
Does it seem safe to assume we will build and launch model rockets at Winter Camp this year? I'm thinking end of summer sales might be our friend.

On Saturday, 17-Aug-2019 19:34:17 EDT, Steve said
Past youth leader Nick Caruana was just called out for the Vigil Honor.

On Monday, 12-Aug-2019 22:26:12 EDT, Alan said
On the subject of freeze drying, it would be very possible to make "astronaut ice cream" at winter camp using a vacuum pump, dry ice, and a few pieces of plumbing.

Even though I'm fairly sure astronaut ice cream has never been eaten in space.

On Monday, 12-Aug-2019 13:05:49 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
A stove top waffle maker sounds great!

On Sunday, 11-Aug-2019 12:28:53 EDT, Doug said
Waffles would be a great new food for winter camp. Seems like a natural fit continental breakfast.
The Wilson's use a stove top cast iron waffle maker (near 100 years old) no electricity needed. Takes about 4 minutes to cook a waffle.
Somewhat off topic but space related. Was watching one of the PBS NASA documentaries the other night. Something I hadn’t heard before - Apparently there was some speculation/fear that Neil Armstrong’s first words on the moon might have been an advertisement for Fisher Cheese then the largest employer in his home town Wapakoneta, Ohio. That would have been hilarious.

On Saturday, 10-Aug-2019 15:22:40 EDT, K2 said
Yeah more than 2 waffle irons on the same circuit puts it at risk of popping the breaker. My vote is for a single waffle iron and leave it as an option for the continental.

On Thursday, 08-Aug-2019 19:35:33 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I've been thinking about having waffles at camp and wonder if it makes more sense to make sure we buy pancake mix that has a waffle option for the continental breakfast or going through the effort to actually have them on the menu for one of the hot breakfasts. If it's the continental breakfast, we could probably do with one maker. If it's on the menu, we'd probably need somewhere between 4 and 8 waffle makers. That might also be hard on the electrical systems. What do you all think?

On Thursday, 08-Aug-2019 15:04:58 EDT, K2 said
I'm trying to find a STL file of the nasa coffee cup but so far my google-fu is not being successful. I could probably design something that looks similar though if we wanted. I would guess each cup would take at least 12-16 hours to print so we have enough lead time to print ~30 cups. I have two printers now, one needs some repairs before it'll be operational again, but if I can get it going could probably print these in < a month once I have the STL file.

On Friday, 02-Aug-2019 22:43:22 EDT, Christopher Kirschke said
Honestly if we want to do food tubes, and dont plan on keeping them for much longer than a few days, we can make them either the day before wintercamp starts or as an activity.

All we would need is something tube like [or a few sheets of some antimicrobial metal like tin or copper, or plastic could work if we boil it] and the meal you plan on making.

I think it would be great fun to make your own "space meals", could even try freeze drying with a vacuum desiccator and the freezer.

On Monday, 29-Jul-2019 00:24:56 EDT, Steve said
We should look for some food tubes too maybe. There could be a traveling lunch where people squeeze their lunch from something like a toothpaste tube.

On Friday, 26-Jul-2019 16:49:43 EDT, Doug said
Didn’t know they still made Tang. Would be cool if we could get something like the beverage pouches NASA used.
While attempting to look that up came across a NASA certified zero gravity cup (typically for coffee) that is designed using surface tension to keep the liquid in the cup. It is very oddly shaped “kind of a cross between a gravy boat and a nose” they are 3D printed and available for only $500 each. Look it up -good for a laugh. Perhaps there is a non-certified design we could print ourselves with a Winter Camp Logo as a souvenir.

On Friday, 26-Jul-2019 06:11:21 EDT, Steve said
I think we should have Tang available at all times and of course for breakfast.

On Thursday, 25-Jul-2019 14:45:20 EDT, K2 said
Paper spaceships you mean? ;)

On Thursday, 25-Jul-2019 14:26:29 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I think we could have some fun involving paper airplanes, rubber band shooting, or playing card throwing. I see had paper plans on the schedule at Winter Camp XXXIV. I also learned Doug's process for rubber band shooting at Winter Camp.

On Friday, 05-Jul-2019 20:16:39 EDT, Ethan Rein said
D-A has been empty other than us for a past few years. I don't see any events listed for that time on the MCC website. Even if there are people there, I'm sure we can find some space where we could not have to worry about outsiders.

On Thursday, 04-Jul-2019 23:36:32 EDT, Christopher Kirschkr said
So are we good with the side Mystery Item hunt idea, bescuse if so I would like to start designing up some ideas and testing a few things.

Also will there be anyone else other than the winter campers in D-A during the week? Since I would rather not freak out anyone else [Im planning a fun and interesting story line for this, and its going to invole some actual history and fun though provoking stuff, but to the outsider who has no clue whats going on, might look a bit strange]

On Thursday, 04-Jul-2019 22:47:09 EDT, Doug said
Probably won’t study for winter camp, but we could have meal and/or activity themes that include facts about space topics which could be used in a Jeopardy game. I was thinking kind of like the 100 years of music we did a years ago (that was played during meals) only it would probably be more suitable as videos.

I do really like the scavenger hunt idea and associated modifications.

How about a Star Wars cantina based casino night?

On Thursday, 04-Jul-2019 21:47:12 EDT, K2 said
I think we'd have better luck with trivia on space movies / tv shows:

Star Wars
Star Trek

On Thursday, 04-Jul-2019 20:58:26 EDT, Steve said
We had an event a few years back where triangulation was used to get close to a crashed ship. Basically two readings from different locations to show its course. We could maybe use that to get teams in range of the radio signal.

On Thursday, 04-Jul-2019 20:57:19 EDT, Steve said
It's probably not likely that people will study for Winter Camp.

On Wednesday, 03-Jul-2019 23:46:07 EDT, Christopher Kirschkr said
Also if we do Jeopardy again it could be based on IRL space agencies

like facts on
Kosmicheskaya programma SSSR [Soviet Space Program]
Roscosmos [current russian space program]
इसरो [you would not believe how hard that is to type]
both ISA

and possibly other stuff like rockets [R-7, Soyus, Vostok, Mercury, Redstone, Atlas [ironically all of these started off as ICBMs] and other feats of space travel

On Wednesday, 03-Jul-2019 23:44:19 EDT, Alan said
As part of a scavenger hunt we could have 'Search for crashed satellite' and try to track down something in the woods using radio signals. Not sure how well this would work given D-A's terrain though.

On Wednesday, 03-Jul-2019 23:01:26 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Alan's map makes me wonder if the chapter ever have a perimeter hike at CHR.

On Wednesday, 03-Jul-2019 22:57:40 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
A scavenger hunt sounds great!

On Wednesday, 03-Jul-2019 16:58:23 EDT, Christopher Kirschkr said
You know if we are doing a space theme, one fun thing to have everyone do: An optional mystery hunt [space themed]

more or less anyone who wants to following a series of clues around camp to solve a "mystery" or objective [say a hunt for missing V-2 plans simmilar to Operation Paperclip or looking for the so called "CCCP Missing files"].

If you want I could set this up and put the clues around camp either during the set up or first day.

On Thursday, 27-Jun-2019 18:20:04 EDT, said
Looking at the map is funny. It seems like we should have had a better way to order cabins.

On Monday, 24-Jun-2019 21:53:01 EDT, Alan said
For those interested, I have created a google earth overlay of CHR camp's occupiers.

On Saturday, 22-Jun-2019 12:51:48 EDT, Steve said
Shatner is space right?

Shatner game. Whenever someone tells “Shatner” everyone has to overact whatever they’re doing

On Wednesday, 19-Jun-2019 22:38:39 EDT, Doug said
3-1/2 weeks until the 3rd annual El Mediodia party. Saturday July 13th, 2PM until ?? at the Wilson's 9515 Woodbend Dr., Saline 48176 (about 6 miles south of I-94 and 3.5 miles west of US-23). Held rain or shine.

Plan on bringing a dish to pass and lawn chairs. We will be providing mexican food (likely chicken fajitas and beef tacos). Steve and Kristie are planning to do the ice cream bar again.

Please feel free to pass along this invitation to other interested parties, post on Facebook, etc., for those not on the elders group or who don’t regularly check the website. It would be great to get some folks from the distant past.

Doug and Joy Wilson

On Tuesday, 04-Jun-2019 22:04:15 EDT, Alan said
Regarding postcards/images from space: you can receive live images from certain weather satellites with a TV antenna and a $15 radio module that connects to a laptop. This is 100% something we could do at Winter Camp. Doesn't have to be an entire event, but we could do it.

There's a few other satellite things we could do too; there's others that you can pick up with a radio, and plenty that can be seen at night. The hard part is scheduling, because both radio and visual work best when the sky is clear, and you usually can't say exactly when a satellite will pass overhead until about a few weeks before it happens.

On Tuesday, 04-Jun-2019 20:07:32 EDT, said
Another thing I saw today that looked interesting was a recipe that used a 2 liter bottle to make burger Kabobs. The burgers were grilled, some cheese added and then they were added to a hot dog bun. The interesting part was the coke bottle which was used to mold tubes of meat.

On Tuesday, 04-Jun-2019 19:59:30 EDT, Steve said
Had two thoughts today. One was for meals. What if we had Winter Camp in orbit and ate based on our position. So on the day one we'd have Mexican food so we could achieve lift off. Day two and three other dinners from other continents or countries and day four would either be seafood (for splashdown) or a sort of down to earth banquet with normal foods. We could always use seafood as a dinner in the middle.

The other thought was Postcards from Space. We could (I think) get postcards with astronomical images and have somoene mail them each day -- anyone who wanted could do one and send it wherever they wanted.

On Wednesday, 08-May-2019 09:27:35 EDT, Steve said
Looking forward to it. I think Kristie and I will probably do the Sundae Bar again.

On Saturday, 04-May-2019 13:33:34 EDT, Doug said
3rd Annual El Mediodia Party - 6,435.6 jiffys until the 2019 El Mediodia party! (That’s Saturday, July 13th, 2PM for those unfamiliar with the universal measurement system.)

The festivities will be at the Wilson's in Saline. Join us to celebrate Winter Camp 43 being closer than WC 42 with an afternoon of food, fellowship and fun.

All Winter campers and their families past, present, and future welcome. More details to follow later, plan on bringing a dish to pass and lawn chairs.

Please feel free to pass along this invitation to other interested parties who may not regularly check the website. It would be great to get some folks from the distant past.

On Tuesday, 16-Apr-2019 20:02:54 EDT, K2 said

On Monday, 15-Apr-2019 18:19:34 EDT, Steve said
I’m planning to go to the observatory training in May so we could potentially visit during Winter Camp.

On Monday, 15-Apr-2019 16:16:54 EDT, K2 said
I also have a telescope that is fairly portable. I'd have to check it ahead of time to make sure nothing has happened to it in the 20ish years since I've last used it...

On Monday, 15-Apr-2019 16:15:52 EDT, K2 said
It might attract a few more youth if we include work towards a merit badge. I'd be open to it.

On Monday, 15-Apr-2019 12:36:59 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
NASA seems best to me. As a related item, I bet we could get most of the requirements for Space Exploration merit badge done at camp. Do you think it would be worth programming around it? Requirements 2, 3, and 7 seem like things we'd do anyway

On Sunday, 14-Apr-2019 15:50:23 EDT, K2 said
Meal idea: UFO Meal - Unidentified Food Objects

On Sunday, 14-Apr-2019 12:42:00 EDT, Doug said
I think there is room for a couple of “space” themes. I was thinking primarily NASA, but we could look at something like an alien invasion, UFOs, or some more obscure science fiction. Maybe a past, present and future thing running through the weekette.
And of course a reading of the classic Oatley favorite short story “The Random Sample”

On Saturday, 13-Apr-2019 16:58:13 EDT, K2 said
I’m thinking nasa space

On Saturday, 13-Apr-2019 15:19:22 EDT, Steve said
Does anyone have a suggestion?

On Saturday, 06-Apr-2019 20:33:14 EDT, Steve said
What's our actual theme?

I mean we've said "Space" but is it NASA space, Star Wars space, Star Trek space, Battlestar space, Firefly space or some other kind of space?

On Wednesday, 27-Mar-2019 11:12:55 EDT, Dave said
That ↓ is Epic!

On Wednesday, 27-Mar-2019 10:30:58 EDT, K2 said
What if we were to find a local dairy farmer who would let us milk one of his cows, then we could churn our own butter from it. Zero plastic waste.

On Saturday, 23-Mar-2019 21:02:21 EDT, Jeff said
The idea for the meal started with creating no plastic waste. A dead whale was found in the Philippines with 88 pounds (40 kilos for our Canadian friends) of plastic in its gut.

On Friday, 22-Mar-2019 21:14:52 EDT, Steve said
I think the drink would have to be either pop or water since any sort of powdered drink would have waste.

I think Jeff's case sausage idea is decent, we'd just have to find the right butcher to sell it to us with no paper or bags.

Potatoes could work. I'm not sure how to cook them. Maybe some kind of fried, but we'd have to manage the oil/butter to avoid waste.

On Friday, 22-Mar-2019 19:43:45 EDT, Steve said
No. Plates are fine as long as we reuse them. Lettuce would only work if we could buy it without plastic wrap and if we used the whole thing including the heel.

The goal is to have no waste in the cooking or eating of the meal. So potatoes could work but only if we didn't peel them. Most fruits would be out for example unless we ate the seeds and peels.

I think this will be a tough meal for us to come up with. It would probably be a good meal for a space theme since it would involve less waste and waste would be a big issue in a space ship or station.

On Friday, 22-Mar-2019 10:49:29 EDT, K2 said
So this is just a rebranded willy wonka meal...

On Friday, 22-Mar-2019 10:43:26 EDT, Dave said
What if tried to work it around a 'wrap' style of vegetarian meal, utilizing lettuce as the outside. Along the lines of prepared potato wrapped in a lettuce leaf?

On Friday, 22-Mar-2019 09:45:33 EDT, said
I think you might have to be a little generous here and there. Jeff's thought was linked sausage. I think if it arrived in camp in a reusable container it might be okay. I don't know if you could get a shop to sell you it sans paper, but maybe.

Reusable could mean tupperware or it could mean that the container was used for something else at camp.

On Thursday, 21-Mar-2019 11:26:52 EDT, Doug said
Finding things without any packaging will be a lot harder in the winter. During the summer you could get vegetables like: carrots, beans, or pea pods at a farmer's market. Alan thought of potatoes. Can't think of anything that fits better than a baked potato at the moment. Suppose you could eat crickets, ants or grasshoppers and think there are some fish that you eat whole (sardines or maybe smelt), but I'm not up for that.

On Thursday, 21-Mar-2019 00:35:32 EDT, Steve said
Jeff had a suggestion that we create a meal with no waste. No packaging to throw out, eat everything we cook and generally when we're done, there's no sign the meal was ever prepared or eaten. I think this one is a tough nut to crack, so I'm putting it up for suggestions now.

Nothing could come from a box, bag, or can and if we had vegetables, we couldn't peel them for example.

On Friday, 15-Mar-2019 16:10:37 EDT, Steve said
We’d have to take a guess at what an average person could eat and use that number for planning. We’d also need a time element to limit the amount contestants had the chance to eat.

On Friday, 15-Mar-2019 15:09:15 EDT, K2 said
Now I'm just curious how the meal planning database would handle an eating contest...

On Wednesday, 06-Mar-2019 22:17:09 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Have we ever had a staring contest tournament? Seems like it could be fun.

I also think we should make peanut butter again. Could be for a lunch (like last time) or maybe for a snack. Not sure what the snack would be, but peanut butter goes with a lot of things.

On Tuesday, 05-Mar-2019 19:55:38 EST, Steve said
Maybe we Winter Camp should have a competitive eating event. We had pixie stix many years ago, but maybe something more traditional like hot dogs.

On Saturday, 23-Feb-2019 18:27:48 EST, Steve said
We called out an hour of free time every day this year. I don't know if we really got it though. Maybe we should have it at times other than before dinner.

On Thursday, 21-Feb-2019 14:26:55 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I'm not sure if we've golfed in the afternoon, but it might be worth a try. I looked at the last 10 schedules and we've always golfed in the morning.

The reason I'm suggesting this is that it might be a way to build some free time into the schedule. That would happen by starting CC Golf after lunch and then have no other activity planned until dinner. It might also take pressure off any slow teams.

On Tuesday, 19-Feb-2019 15:14:15 EST, Steve said
Also you make it sound like you think HDA is a good thing. Of course, maybe you do. Weirdo :)

On Tuesday, 19-Feb-2019 15:13:40 EST, Steve said
You say might as if there’s some doubt

On Tuesday, 19-Feb-2019 13:46:01 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Have we ever had a scavenger hunt at Winter Camp? Given the prevalence of camera enabled phones, we could probably do something pretty cool. A hunt could have a mix of nature (take a picture of a pine cone), D-bar-A-specific (take a picture of a horse), and Winter Camp specific (take a picture of a building named after someone whose been to Winter Camp). Depending on the items on the list, this might even qualify as an HDA.

On Monday, 18-Feb-2019 22:04:27 EST, K2 said
All I can visualize is the owl from the tootsie pop commercials saying “how many slaps does it take to heat a hot dog”

On Monday, 18-Feb-2019 21:06:37 EST, B Mann said
It does sound fun to try, however, will a hotdog hold up to that much abuse? Maybe sausage, kielbasa, or something in a casing.

On Monday, 18-Feb-2019 19:14:26 EST, Steve said
There's a meme out there about cooking a chicken by slapping it. The idea is the kinetic energy of the slap becomes thermal energy when absorbed by the chicken. Many of the numbers used by the answer are probably spurious (like it wants to heat the chicken to 400 degrees when 165 is generally considered cooked for poultry.

Anyhow, I'm not eager to try this with chicken, but I wonder if we could maybe cook (well, heat) hot dogs this way? I'm envisioning some kind of motorized ferris wheel of hot dogs which keeps hitting them against a flexible surface. Maybe with enough speed we could make it happen.

Anyone else think this could be a fun experiment?

On Wednesday, 13-Feb-2019 14:01:39 EST, Uncle Ethan said
My family plays a pretty good get to know each other game where each person submits what they think is a unique fact and we post them some place. Then, everyone guesses submitted the facts. Then, we read them aloud and people idenify themselves. I think it could be fun to do on the first day of camp. Putting it in terms of stuff we've done before, I guess you could say it's like arrowman bingo, but with a guessing game replacing the signature quest, and of course not having a bingo aspect.

On Wednesday, 13-Feb-2019 13:55:35 EST, B Mann said
I just noticed that we have Kirschke/Donohue as chairman/advisor.... does this mean its a "Canadian Space" theme?

On Wednesday, 13-Feb-2019 13:52:59 EST, B Mann said
I still have 2 sling shots and can pick up paintballs for ammo. They work rather well and are fun too.

On Wednesday, 13-Feb-2019 07:02:12 EST, David C. Oakley said
I like space theme. I did space games at Klondike a few years back. Maybe we make a star trek day / rocket day- NASA / star wars day. Just some thoughts. "Oak". I made a jabba the hut target- 8ft wide by 8 ft tall for sling hsot targets. I also made a death star that we shot at and burned. Use flip phones on star trek day - dress up for one meal in "enterprise".

On Saturday, 09-Feb-2019 15:41:07 EST, Steve said
Problem solver
Genius night with a specific space related problem. Each team is given an identical set of parts with the same specific problem to solve. The problem should be something we could time or maybe the whole event is timed. Perhaps there is something on the floor of the station which must be removed without touching it. So the teams have to come up with a way to pick up ping pong balls or rice kenrels or something similar.

On Thursday, 07-Feb-2019 12:43:06 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Mission Control sound awesome! Reminds me of a scene in Apollo 13

On Thursday, 07-Feb-2019 00:40:12 EST, Steve said
Mission Control
Each team is given a set of directions, a geocache box, and a set of walkie talkies (or they can use cell phones). One team has the directions and must guide the other team to a specific location where the box will open. Inside the box is a lego kit with no pictures and no directions, just pieces. The control team is now given that same kit and has to guide the remote team to build it then return to the base to compare results.

Repair Crew
Players have to fix something while wearing heavy gloves and with limited vision because of helmets. Maybe they have to stack something after tossing it to each other. Ie, a chain of people throwing rings or blocks from person to person and the last one has to stack them.

On Monday, 04-Feb-2019 22:01:48 EST, Ethan said
I'd also like to suggest we put 4 square on the program for this year. It's one of my favorite less frequently played Winter Camp games.

On Monday, 04-Feb-2019 22:01:09 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I think the Rein family has a set of Jarts. I'll talk with my folks.

On Monday, 04-Feb-2019 17:43:07 EST, Steve said
We could theme it up by making the target circle some planet and of course you have to land your rocket on the alien planet.

On Monday, 04-Feb-2019 17:40:53 EST, Steve said
Winter Camp might need to have real lawn jarts. They look like rockets and probably none of the youth has ever played with them.

On Saturday, 02-Feb-2019 16:02:45 EST, K2 said
Also, for a fleeting moment I thought you misspelled Haiku. Then I knew better and googled it.

On Saturday, 02-Feb-2019 16:01:03 EST, K2 said
This... Shatner idea... sounds... super awesome!

On Friday, 01-Feb-2019 16:04:33 EST, Steve said
Shatner is from space. The idea for the game is when someone yells "Shatner" everyone has to overact whatever they're doing no matter how trivial. Bonus points if you can work in a torn shirt or flying shoulder roll.

On Friday, 01-Feb-2019 16:02:59 EST, Steve said
Should Winter Camp start with a Haka?

On Friday, 25-Jan-2019 16:51:23 EST, Steve said
Just saw a video where they were using paint rollers to hold corn on the cob and they buttered it in a paint roller tray. Could be fun.

On Wednesday, 23-Jan-2019 22:03:01 EST, Steve said
Just saw a great recipe for a patty melt made with ground turkey

On Monday, 21-Jan-2019 23:08:54 EST, Steve said
We could make beanbags in space-themed fabric.

On Monday, 21-Jan-2019 21:19:05 EST, BMann said
Meteorite juggling, asteroid juggling, antigravity juggling.

On Monday, 21-Jan-2019 20:44:29 EST, Dave M said
+1 to that

On Monday, 21-Jan-2019 19:43:35 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I propose that we have a learn to juggle event at Winter Camp XLIII.

On Saturday, 19-Jan-2019 23:38:28 EST, BMann said
I will be there

On Saturday, 19-Jan-2019 21:32:20 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Anyone going to the next chapter meeting? It's on Thursday, January 24, 7 PM at the First United Methodist Church in Dearborn (22124 Garrison St, Dearborn, MI 48124).

On Saturday, 19-Jan-2019 20:58:44 EST, BMann said
Now im hungry again. Lol

On Saturday, 19-Jan-2019 20:17:41 EST, Steve said
Kristie showed me a video today of Pineapple Upside Down Pancakes. Basically they grilled pineapple with brown sugar, added a cherry and then covered it with batter and finished cooking it.

On Wednesday, 16-Jan-2019 20:57:41 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Now that we've got darts, I'm thinking about other stuff we can do with him. How about one of the carnival-style "pop the balloon with a dart" games? That big dart board we made for the pentathlon would be easy to make again. Maybe a balloon meal where you have to pop one in order to get in line for food.

On Monday, 14-Jan-2019 13:54:00 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Good news on the left handed golf club hunt. My left handed golfer father in law gave me some irons and woods we to use for camp. I'll bring them next year or maybe get them up to camp between now and then.

On Sunday, 13-Jan-2019 22:02:21 EST, Steve said
Is this an existing drama or one we’d create?

On Sunday, 13-Jan-2019 14:51:05 EST, Jeff said
To build upon the idea of an object from space, I had a similar thought several years ago, where a black rhombus is discovered. The event would include an audio recording in the form a radio drama, titled "The Artifact."

On Saturday, 12-Jan-2019 10:40:00 EST, Steve said
What if we had some focus on STEM stuff as it would apply to space?

Imagine on day one we have reports of an object streaking across the sky and crashing in camp. (we could either track it based on its path or there could be two observers allowing us to triangulate the location better - math is optional). Something at the site needs to be lifted off (either by brute force or with a simple tool like a lever).

Inside we find a device which seems to be written in some kind of alien glyphs. We could kind of get a code-breaking thing or maybe the device could be accessed via bluetooth and hacked (I have a couple of raspberry pi's we could use for this). The code might lead us to some other activity or realization. It could also be we could find that activity by the code or some other way.

We should go look at some of what we did for the UFO theme maybe.

We might need to decide what our focus on space is. Space is pretty vast and maybe we should pick some bits to try.

On Saturday, 12-Jan-2019 09:17:46 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Given that Winter Camp XLIII will start on a Friday, it would seem we'll have a Service Day on Monday, December 30. That's how we've done it the last two times we've got this set of days. Those were Winter Camp XXVI and XXXVII. Winter Camp XXVI was of course the the first time Jackpot Grits were served.

On Thursday, 10-Jan-2019 23:02:58 EST, Uncle Ethan said
We could bring back Mark-->'s Jeopardy! set up for a space themed Jeopardy! type game. A few categories ideas: NASA, Planets, Stars, Non-NASA space programs, constellations, The Moon, The Sun

On Thursday, 10-Jan-2019 21:56:19 EST, Steve said
I don't think anyone is saying do rockets instead of space, just that rockets could be a fun part of space.

What are the activities we would do that aren't rockets? I'm sure we can come up with some just the rocket ones are easier. Maybe we could do some kind of a reduced weight event where we use bungees or weights over a rope/pulley to make someone weigh less. Like a pulley-assisted long or high jump could be fun for example.

On Thursday, 10-Jan-2019 21:07:47 EST, brian maghran said
I would say space would be a better theme compared to rockets. Space is a more general theme and having a more general theme like Olympics seemed to work out well

On Wednesday, 09-Jan-2019 20:56:16 EST, Dave Milon said
+1 👇

On Wednesday, 09-Jan-2019 20:08:17 EST, Steve said
Maybe if we do space we could do Space Detby rockets maybe in traditional and unlimited formats. Traditional meaning rubber bands like the cub scouts use and unlimited meaning maybe just a weight and size limit and maybe requirement that it be hangable from the standard hanger.

On Tuesday, 08-Jan-2019 20:08:40 EST, Uncle Ethan said
WCFS minutes went out today via email. If you didn't get them and want them, please let me know.

On Tuesday, 08-Jan-2019 08:13:37 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I've got pictures from this year I've been meaning to get to you, Steve. I'll do it in the next few days.

On Monday, 07-Jan-2019 21:48:32 EST, Steve said
After poking around a bit, I also added pictures for Winter Camps XXXIX, XL, and XLI.

Still looking for more pics from this year though.

On Monday, 07-Jan-2019 12:46:33 EST, Steve said
I've added some pictures and other content to the Winter Camp XLII pages. It appears I could use more if anyone has any -- these were mostly lifted from Dave Oakley.

On Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 16:27:09 EST, Matt Grimble said
I know this was brought up a few years ago, an idea for an event, building an escape room? I'm making one for the chapter at our next meeting, so I'll have a lot of supplies and dome experience for it.

On Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 12:37:45 EST, Steve said
I'd like to suggest Gumball Grits. We have the machine, capsules of ingredients would be fun. We could have it either in place of the Continental Breakfast or we could add it. We could also use the gumballs for some kind of pancake thing by mixing them in the batter on an individual bases. Not sure what we'd call that -- maybe Penny Pancakes or Poly Pancakes or something.

Why do I always want to alliterate?

On Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 10:15:10 EST, Steve said
There must have been at least one other lefty on his team. I wonder if he shared with them.

On Friday, 04-Jan-2019 21:22:29 EST, Jeff said
I believe there was a single left-handed club that Chris Kirschke used. Unfortunately, it was not available to our national team.

On Friday, 04-Jan-2019 09:45:45 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Thanks, Brian and Dave. We could probably make do with a driver, 1-2 woods, 1-2 irons, and a putter.

On Friday, 04-Jan-2019 08:44:51 EST, Dave Milon said
I know quite a few garage sale connoisseurs . I'll put the word out that we're looking for left handed clubs of questionable quality for next year.

My neighbor is a lefty he might have some extras, too.

On Friday, 04-Jan-2019 08:14:04 EST, B Mann said
I have a friend that is a lefty golfer. I can check with him and see if he has any extra clubs that he no longer uses.

On Friday, 04-Jan-2019 00:14:57 EST, Steve said
I’m pretty sure we owned some at one point. I thought someone found them at a garage sale.

On Thursday, 03-Jan-2019 21:48:50 EST, Alan Wilson said
As of 10pm tonight, I switched the Winter Camp Notifier from Winter Camp XLII planning to XLIII. If you're subscribed, you will only be notified of XLIII planning now.

I thought we had at least a couple left hand golf clubs, but I'm not sure. I am pretty sure we brought down all the golf clubs we have, so maybe we just don't have any.

On Thursday, 03-Jan-2019 20:00:28 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I think we didn't have any left handed clubs for CC golf this year. Does anyone know if that's because we don't have any or didn't get them out of the attic?

On Thursday, 03-Jan-2019 09:43:46 EST, Uncle Ethan said
A few thoughts that came up during the WCFS meeting:
Let's schedule the Time Capsule opening on the first or second day
If we make candles, it should be on the schedule (that said, I don't think we'll need to make more very soon)
If we CC golf in BC, we might want to add more time.

On Wednesday, 02-Jan-2019 13:51:31 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Anyone with more to say about Winter Camp XLII can do it here:

This is the same evaluation that was passed out at camp.

On Tuesday, 01-Jan-2019 15:11:12 EST, Doug Wilson said
I hereby declare that I will serve as kitchen adviser for winter camp XLIII.

On Tuesday, 01-Jan-2019 14:38:03 EST, Steve said
We could probably do model rockets one day and water rockets another with a rocketry theme. Maybe we could do rocket-powered pinewood derby type cars or rocket-powered model sleds on the Lake.

On Tuesday, 01-Jan-2019 08:38:02 EST, K2 said
I believe rockets was also suggested as a theme

On Tuesday, 01-Jan-2019 00:50:27 EST, Steve said
During Winter Camp, Space was suggested as a theme.