Winter Camp XLV Planning
|11/26/2021||1:00pm||Winter Camp Final Planning Meeting|
|12/27/2021||11:30am||Winter Camp XLV|
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Theme: Remote Control, Artificial Intelligence, and Robotics
|Youth Leader:||Jacob Ferns|
|Activities Leader:||Michael Bristol|
|Kitchen Adviser:||Steve Donohue|
|Participation Award Adviser:||Ethan Rein|
|Registration Adviser:||Steve Donohue|
- View all the Winter Camp Checklists
- XLV May 3 Planning Meeting Tasks - This is a list of tasks that were assigned at the Planning Meeting on May 3.
- Initial Planning Meeting Minutes (May 3, 2021)
- Minutes from the planning meeting including task assignments.
- Winter Camp XLV Budget
- Projected budget for Winter Camp XLV
- Winter Camp XLV Spring Flyer
- Sent with dues notices to chapter youth members who were delinguent in April 2021.
XLV Task Checklist - this is the 2021 list of tasks with status.
Feel free to post your thoughts and comments on planning for Winter Camp XLV!
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- On Tuesday, 04-May-2021 09:35:22 EDT, Steve D. said
- Does anyone have a thought about teams?
Will they be like a group of roboticists and just name themselves, kind of like Battlebots, or should there be some other plan?
- On Tuesday, 04-May-2021 08:48:12 EDT, Steve D. said
- There are a fair number of boardgames which use programmed movement as a theme. Most of them ask you to plot out a few moves ahead, then everyone plays at once, which creates some chaos. Most have a few ways to affect the environment which can then screw things up for other players.
I think the grand-daddy might be Roborally, but I also have Colt Express, Robot Turtle, The Haunting House, and Go, Duck, Go in my collection.
We could have a programmed event based on some of these games or we could have a board game night of them.
- On Monday, 03-May-2021 22:43:51 EDT, Steve D. said
- We had our first meeting tonight. Minutes will be published soon; they are being reviewed for accuracy.
- On Monday, 03-May-2021 08:32:52 EDT, Steve D. said
- Winter Camp Planning meeting, Monday at 7. See wintercamp.com for details and please tell the Ramones we're sorry:
20, 20, 20, 4, hours to go
I wanna plan Winter Camp
Nowhere to drive, cuz we'll be online, oh
I wanna plan Winter Camp
Just, get me to the meeting, my ideas are great!
Hurry, hurry, hurry, cuz May 3 is the date!
I can't control ideas, my creativity's innate
Oh no oh-oh oh-oh
20, 20, 20, 4, hours to go
I wanna plan Winter Camp
Nowhere to drive, cuz we'll be online, oh
I wanna plan Winter Camp
- On Thursday, 29-Apr-2021 15:53:59 EDT, Doug Wilson said
- Very clever Steve. Tomorrow has been covered by many artists over the years. For those who don’t remember the musical Annie is also is from 1977.
- On Thursday, 29-Apr-2021 15:26:22 EDT, Steve D. said
- We're going to plan,
bet your bottom dollar
that on Monday,
there'll be plans.
Just thinkin' about,
Clears away the cobwebs
and the sorrow
Once we plan.
When I'm stuck a day
I just stick out my chin
The plans will begin
So you gotta hang on
'Til our meeting
Come what may
it's days away!!!
- On Thursday, 29-Apr-2021 09:45:41 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
- Looking forward to Monday's mneeting. Bring your big ideas for Winter Camp XLV!
- On Monday, 19-Apr-2021 22:18:54 EDT, Steve D. said
- Is it weird that our theme list doesn’t include Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, or Superheroes?
They might be harder than some but they might also be a lot off fun. Does anyone else have interest in any of those three?
- On Thursday, 15-Apr-2021 22:40:17 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
- The initial planning meeting for Winter Camp XLV will be held Monday May 3, 2021 at 7 pm EDT in a Zoom format. We'll establish the big ideas for Winter Camp. Big ideas include theme, cost, locations, and major activities and meals. Bring your ideas. This event is open to all chapter members and regular Winter Camp participants.
Don't forget to check out wintercamp.com to see what's already been discussed.
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- On Sunday, 11-Apr-2021 22:30:12 EDT, Steve D. said
- Ron sent me a picture today where his troop had gone to a place where they had electric griddles in the middle of each table and you were expected to cook your own breakfast. They'd give you pancake better or eggs or whatever.
I wonder if that might be a fun thing to try at camp. Sort of like fondue but not as scary on account of no pots of hot oil on every table.
- On Wednesday, 07-Apr-2021 20:57:36 EDT, Steve D. said
- Congratulations! I'm looking forward to working with you and Jacob.
- On Wednesday, 07-Apr-2021 20:30:34 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
- I declare myself Adviser for Winter Camp XLV
- On Monday, 05-Apr-2021 19:05:50 EDT, Steve D. said
- I think they 5th (Cinco de Mayo) and the 7th (Friday night) are probably bad choices, but I could make it any night other than the 5th.
- On Monday, 05-Apr-2021 08:40:43 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
- I’m collecting input about the best day for a planning meeting for Winter Camp XLV. Youth Leader Jacob Ferns is planning to hold one the week Monday, May 3. Please consider leaving a note here regarding your availability. If you’ve responded to a similar email or voted in a similar Facebook poll, you don’t need to vote here. I'll will add up the votes from all three places.
- On Monday, 05-Apr-2021 08:40:22 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
- I like the idea about boxing up food the night before
- On Wednesday, 31-Mar-2021 23:41:05 EDT, Steve D. said
- I had this thought today about the kitchen. Which then led to a second thought. My first thought was that when we load in the groceries on set-up day we could group them by meal to make it easier during the week.
Then I thought maybe a better plan would be for the kitchen youth/adviser to box things up the night before that are needed for meals the following day. So there'd be a breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack box.
The ides is to make it easier to find and use things.
- On Monday, 29-Mar-2021 14:35:08 EDT, Steve D. said
- What if we had an infinity stones them? We could have an activity or meal themed to each of the stones plus maybe some of their most famous wielders or uses.
Space Stone (blue) - Rocket launch or star-gazing
Reality Stone (red) - something with real numbers, like a compass course.
Power Stone (purple) - build a jacob's ladder or generate power on our own.
Mind Stone (yellow) - trivia contest or maybe Mind Flex.
Time Stone (green) - Time Capsule
Soul Stone (orange). - Scout's own service
On the meals side we could try to match meals to the colors more maybe. We could probably come up with colors of ingredients for Infinity Grits.
We probably have to order more Winter Camp patches, maybe we could choose some new colors if it's not expensive. We have green, red, black, white, blue, and gold. Maybe we could add purple and orange for new schools and to cover all six stones. We could then create a tradition about someone earning the six colors.
- On Sunday, 28-Mar-2021 13:17:45 EDT, Steve D. said
- I think we need a dish with fennel at camp.
- On Sunday, 28-Mar-2021 00:56:25 EDT, K2 said
- Steve, I just wanted to say I appreciate your enthusiasm.
- On Saturday, 27-Mar-2021 21:00:44 EDT, Steve D. said
- In talking with Doug, he suggested we plan some kind of activity that parents could join in on the final day of camp. It needs to be normal enough for them to join without a lot of fanfare. Apparently 4-way volleyball went well enough. We could probably find other events near the cabin to make this work.
- On Wednesday, 03-Mar-2021 11:08:51 EST, Steve D. said
- I got a note today that M&Ms consider March 3, 1941 to be their birthday. Another thing we could add both ways. It might be fun to try to candy-coat something for a meal or we could play a tracking game with M&Ms or maybe an art project where they are pixels in a larger picture.
1845 - Florida Becomes 27th State
1923 - U.S.A. Time Magazine first published
1931 - U.S.A. The Star-Spangled Banner becomes the National ANthem.
1931 - Minnie the Moocher recorded. becomes first million-seller.
1982 - England Barbican Centre opens
2002 - Switzerland Joins United Nations
Birthdays that might inspire events:
1606: English poet Edmund Waller
1831: Industrialist George Pullman, inventor of the railway sleeping car
1847: Telephone inventor Alexander Graham Bell
1895: U.S. Army Gen. Matthew Ridgway
1903: Hollywood fashion designer Adrian
1958: Actress Miranda Richardson
1966: Rapper Tone Loc
- On Tuesday, 02-Mar-2021 22:25:57 EST, Steve D. said
- Another theme. Partly a joke, but maybe it could be fun.
Six Degrees of Dan Bollman's Birthday
Dan's birthday is March 3 (3/3) and it is usually 63 days after Mark-->'s birthday and always 63 days before Steve D's birthday. We can use 3's, doubles, and middles as part of things in the theme.
Yes, Drill Sergeant -- similar to hell night. 3 Up, 3 Down is a description of the insignia of a sergeant in the US Army.
Baseball or Kickball where the defending team always wants to have an inning with 3 up 3 down.
Religious Service - Three is the number of god.
Monkey in the Middle - referencing Dan being in the middle of Steve and Mark-->. Could be the traditional game similar to keep-away or it could be game with one team trapped between the other two.
Average Dan -- Dan's birthday is the average of two others, we could play a game like Majority rules where the goal is to be the most average person by being closest to the average i na number of categories.
Poetry - Dan and three are pretty easy to rhyme.
Delayed Blast Birthday -- we make cards for campers and hold onto them until closer to the birthday; Dan used to play D&D.
Fake Noob - Dan has a great story where he's working provisional and the kids are playing D&D. He feigned ignorance and joined them. We could have an activity where one person is an expert and keeps quiet then the others have to guess who the expert was.
Baby Pursuit -- one team has a baby doll, the other team is the Dan Bollman's. The Dans pursue the other team and if they catch them, the captured team must give their baby to some Dan Bollman guy
Dan Bollman Look Alike contest - in honor of "who is that guy, he looks just like Dan Bollman?".
Meals could be:
Dan's Favorite -- we'd have to ask him what it is.
Triple-threat Breakfast: One breakfast with eggs, pancakes, waffles, ham, sausage, bacon, OJ, Milk, and Grapefruit Juice -- so there's 3 entrees, 3 meats, and 3 drinks.
Jackpot Grits - roll actual dice and anything with double-threes gets some reward -- maybe they can pick their own toppings.
3/3 meal - you get a meal with just one item, hopefully something seen as a single thing.
Kristie is tired of hearing about Dan's birthday and told me in no uncertain terms that "Six Degrees of Dan's Birthday" should not be an event. Of course not, it's a theme.
- On Tuesday, 02-Mar-2021 22:25:50 EST, Steve D. said
- Remote Control as a theme.
The idea is to have activities and meals where there is some element of programmed or remote control in the event.
Remote Control -- which we've done before.
Do as I say - one part of the team WRITES instructions and the other part of the team has to follow them to the best of their ability (this could really be an activity or a meal).
Visualization - similar to remote control except the team is looking for something and only the other part of their team knows what it is Could also be more like a scavenger hunt where you can't say the items but have to describe them or give clues.
Programming - could do something with programing a robot (real or virtual) through a maze.
Program Jeopardy - given the inputs and outputs you have to create the code using a collection of pseud-code commands probably from cards.
Simon Says - could be done either directly or remotely.
Most of the activities could also be meals.
- On Sunday, 28-Feb-2021 14:27:26 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- A pizza theme sounds good to me. I think we could some tray based pizzas for Doug's big pizza idea. The Dough Games idea is great.
- On Wednesday, 17-Feb-2021 17:13:07 EST, Steve D. said
- Doug suggested we could also try Giant Pizza. Either filling a camp oven with as big a pizza as we could fit or making our own oven to cook a larger-than-life pizza.
- On Tuesday, 16-Feb-2021 17:21:20 EST, Steve D. said
- What if our theme was pizza?
Clearly, we could have Bollmano's and Dutch Oven pizza. We could have a breakfast pizza and maybe some flat bread or English muffin pizzas for a lunch. We could make pizza rolls.
The challenge would likely be activities related to pizza. I'd suggest maybe some of the following:
Egg Toss - teams compete for greatest distance or number of times they can toss the egg (or both).
Pizza making contest - which team can make the best pie?
Slice collection - Wooden pizzas are cut into multiple pieces and teams compete to solve clues and be the first to bring their six slices together.
Pizza Puffery - A contest to create the greatest boast about pizza in the history of the world.
Pizza Trivia - questions about pizza styles, ingredients, and more and teams are scored by getting them right.
Dough Games - relay race, high toss, distance toss, etc, all played with a ball of dough in place of the baton, shotput, etc.
Tomato Paste - throw tomatoes for accuracy ("pasting the target) or for maximum splat to be used in a later meal.
Pizza Paint by number - Similar to the burrito thing. Maybe an outline on your dough, put a number on each bit and then find out which ingredient goes with the numbers.
- On Saturday, 23-Jan-2021 14:24:46 EST, Steve D. said
- What if we had a theme like "Winter Camp vs. the Internet" or something similar? The idea is that during the course of Winter Camp we do some things that are at least somewhat well-known on the Internet. I'm sure I'll miss a lot and will list some no one has heard of. We've got some time to curate our list. Some ideas would be actual activities and others would be sort of a photo/video safari. We could have events like:
Meme Creation - ideally we'd take a picture during camp and create the meme.
Emoji Challenge - Adults try to guess the meaning of emojis when used as a message.
Do they know it? We pick songs from various eras and try to see who can guess artist and title. Film it. We could also try old and/or new gadgets.
Campers Are Awesome - film campers doing something amazing. It wouldn't have to be a big physical thing unless someone knew how to ride a unicycle (for example)
Failarmy - probably something accidental like a fall or a campers are awesome gone awry.
Does anyone else think this could work? Any suggestions?
- On Sunday, 17-Jan-2021 16:59:34 EST, matthew grimble said
- The district has done cardboard sleds for the past few years at klondike too
- On Sunday, 17-Jan-2021 15:51:33 EST, Jeff Rand said
- Youth were about to make a cardboard sled this past year. Unfortunately I stopped them from having this fun. They were about to use the Wilson bread warming oven.
- On Sunday, 17-Jan-2021 15:20:24 EST, Steve D. said
- I remember that was a pretty fun event. I think they've had a chapter version of it since then. Sleds could be made at camp by whatever teams we create; maybe a rule about how many people have to ride down on the sled.
- On Sunday, 17-Jan-2021 14:16:10 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- Some years ago the lodge had a cardboard and duct tape sled contest as part of the Lincoln pilgrimage. This seems to me to be something that could be fun to do at camp. We’d need a back up plan for the event that there is not enough snow of course.
- On Sunday, 17-Jan-2021 14:15:52 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- Some years ago the lodge had a cardboard and duct tape slide contest as part of the Lincoln pilgrimage
- On Tuesday, 05-Jan-2021 22:39:04 EST, Alan Wilson said
- Test post for Winter Camp Email Notifier. Registration is still at http://alnwlsn.ax.lt/wintercamp/notifier/
- On Tuesday, 05-Jan-2021 10:01:07 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- I pulled the suggestions for Winer Camp XLV from the evaluations we've received so far:
Changes to activities: Bigger volleyball court, RC may not have been practical for WCAH
Activities for next year: Wilderness survivial demo, ice fishing, cross country skiing, 4 square in a pavilion with cerement floor, jarts, croquet, cricket, soccer, kickball, make your own mask, arrowman bingo
Changes to meals: More hot breakfasts
Meals for next year: Return of Dutch ovens, hot soup and grilled cheese, homemade tortillas, peirogis, jackpot grits, more ethnic variety, uncomfortably close meal
Theme ideas: Roaring 20s, Cast Away, Winter Camp Under Investigation, Winter Prison Camp, Cowboys, Luchador, old games for new fun, hobby share, Winter Camp for One, Setting Records (45 is a type of record)
General suggestions: Stay outside for long stretches of time (don't go inside between events), get a cabin, more centralized communication
- On Monday, 04-Jan-2021 22:55:14 EST, Steve D. said
- I saw someone drive a truck up those steps, so they're pretty wide.
- On Monday, 04-Jan-2021 22:01:52 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- I pulled a bunch of ideas from the pre-pandemic portion of the planning for Winter Camp XLIV. They are repeated here because I think they deserve another shot.
Dinosaur / Jurassic Park
Merit Badges - we pick and complete a bunch of fun merit badge requirements
Indiana Jones - we take on the role of pulp-era archaeologists
Pioneers (Winter Camp I style)
Medieval - we dress up in armor.
4 Square in Hay Pavilion
Overnight Hike (JL to Riverside)
Fiery Death Theme – Model rockets, raze the village, viking funeral, electric bonfire, conflagration, flaming arrows, 2 liter bottle rockets, fireworks, ground flame, electric candle shapes.
Circus - Giant tent, clown skills, tight rope, trapeze, big show, clown car
Indiana Jones Activities: Tomb raiding, travel (hda), puzzle-solving, mook mashing, obstacle course, searching
Luchador Activity: Luchador Chess (like battle chess), Service Project = Luchador good deeds, watch a luchador movie, making luchador masks, developing a stable (team/clan) and personas for each wrestler. I think building a ring would be bad. There could be a luchador investigation (something more popular in the novels). We could write a luchador novella. A pinata (maybe several) seems like a good idea. There are a number of games with luchador themes and some we could easily retheme.
Viking Activities: Raze the village, clout shooting, raiding, pillaging, boat walk, axe throwing, archery, kenning creation, poestry.
Wild West Activities: target shooting, bank robbery, rubber band gun fight, first class trial, cattle rustlin', warm bed
Medieval Activities: sword fight, archery, horseback riding, chivalric contest
Noir Activities: Mystery investigation, rum running
Dinosaur Activities: Dino Safari (have to find species in the wild), Genius Night Dino building or tool building, Dino dig - they sell kits; maybe something chaos theory related, dino dinner where we try to avoid becoming dinner for dinos
Pirates Activity: Plank-walking (balance) contest, swashbuckling obstacle course, boarding contest (maybe like red rover or steal the bacon), treasure hunt -- maybe even burying one day and hunting by a different team. Crew and ship names, piratical flags, some kind of boating (or ice-boating), waxing poetical, shanty-singing, tall tale-telling. Avoiding the black dot. Movie watching
Meals / Food Items
Make tortillas with a tortilla press
Blind Beggars Banquet
Circus Meals – fried badness, circus peanuts, elephant ears, elephant lunch, lion dinner
Fiery Death Meals: marshmellow roast, weenie roast, spicy foods, barbecue, roast something on a spit, from the ashes (cook on a fire from raze the village or something similar)
Indiana Jones Meals: Gruesome dinner, exotic cuisine, speakeasy.
Luchador Meals: Mexican meals -- maybe juevos rancheros for breakfast and tacos for a lunch with flautas for dinner. There's a lot more to Mexican than burritos and tacos. We could also create our own psuedo-tequilla with lemonade and gummy worms. Luchadors also travel so other cuisines would be good. We could have a training table breakfast on service day to keep the wrestlers strong.
Viking Meals: many European cultures as we invade, Norse food, seaboard meal (probably dried stuff), on the run meal, something alliterative ("Viking Vittles").
Wild West Meals: Beans, tex-mex, root beer, sarsparilla, glass of whiskey, saloon supper.
Medieval Meals: olde english feast, scotch eggs, mutton, tupenny struggles, meat pie.
Noir Meals: black & white, twenties food, soda stand.
Dinosaur Meals: Brontoburgers, vegetarian, really big food, flintstony stuff, eating turkey or other avians.
Pirates Meals: Jamaican and other carribean countries, teeter totter meal (for balance), oranges.
- On Monday, 04-Jan-2021 19:54:36 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- Thinking about this some more, Tall Timbers to the Morosky Firebowl could be a good CC golf hole. We could start from the top of the steps that go up to tall timbers. That said, I'm not sure how wide those steps are, so that could be an issue.
- On Sunday, 03-Jan-2021 23:15:41 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- Looking at a camp map, I see a lot of lake adjacent places that could be good starting points - Morosky Firebowl, Peil Chapel, Johnstone (which Steve mentioned), and the Lockwood Lake water front all jump out. Johnstone to the Lonesome Pine shooting range could be worth a try. That course would be pretty flat. The Morosky Firebowl to Arrow Head or Tall Timbers would have more elevation changes. Both would have a big "lake or not" choice to make early on.
- On Sunday, 03-Jan-2021 15:14:26 EST, Steve D. said
- I don't think you could really drive the lake from Migisi.
- On Sunday, 03-Jan-2021 14:48:11 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- I declare myself Participation Award Adviser. This is a minor role, but I very much enjoy hyping the gold bordered patch at camp.
- On Sunday, 03-Jan-2021 14:44:11 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- I like what you're thinking, Steve. I'm not sure if you can easily to get to the lake from the Migisi site, but that could be good for obvious reasons. We could also involve Fair Oaks cabin if the hole was around Lockwood. Most people reading this message will know that Fair Oaks is dedicated to Mr. Oatley, but those who didn't now do.
- On Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 22:56:03 EST, Steve D. said
- I think it would be cool if we started somewhere that still allowed the "drive the lake" option (not that it's been used often). So somewhere near Lockwood. Maybe go the other way and walk to Johnstone then golf back to somewhere closer to Jack Lord.
- On Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 22:44:45 EST, Uncle Ethan said
- Assuming we're back for a standard camp and we use Jack Lord subcamp as our main activity center, what does everyone think we should do for cross country golf? Feedback from XLIII suggested that going from JL cabin to the usual hole was a little too road heavy. One thing we could do is have lunch on the road near BC and then do the standard hole. Or we could come up with a whole new hole, maybe with Riverside or the Climbing tower as a start or end point.
- On Friday, 01-Jan-2021 20:19:12 EST, Steve D. said
- I think I'd like to be the kitchen adviser.
- On Wednesday, 30-Dec-2020 22:25:10 EST, Jacob Ferns said
- In the event that Michaela is disqualified as youth leader by lack of membership in the OA, I declare my self youth leader for the Winter Camp XLV (2021)
- On Sunday, 22-Dec-2019 10:25:13 EST, Michaela said
- i declare myself youth leader for wintercamp 45
- On Wednesday, 30-Oct-2019 17:06:45 EDT, Steve said
- Testing for XLV